"That's an odd way of looking at it. I mean, plenty of sciences aren't magical, and vice-versa, but you won't get far in either without the other. And philosophy... that's the root of them both, if you think about it."

He likes the example she uses, and nods enthusiastically. "Oh, I see what you mean. That must make scouting marvelously easy even if you can't scry. Or sending messages, of course, or defending against enemy, erm, drones... wait, how big do you make them?"